There are now three variants of the Ergodox-EZ, the normal one, the Shine (has an LED strip on the back that you can program ... looks like ambient Light) and the Glow, which has RGB LEDs for part of the keys. As it's both split and has a concave key well. I got the "Special" layer of the Ergodox layout (there are all brackets on the right half of the keyboard, helps a lot with programming) by just assigning the keys in the FN layer. I ordered my first Kinesis Advantage, I'm very confident I will use it - or a similar keyboard like Ergodox or Axios - for a long time after. Over the past two weeks, I’ve switched out my trusty, well-worn Kinesis Freestyle2 keyboard for an ErgoDox EZ mechanical keyboard. Really big guys may even want to consider the wider version of the Freestyle, which can split up t… The entire keyboard, minus a vertical set of ke y s is directly from the Advantage. This variable split eliminates the need to scrunch your arms inward, and also accommodates different shapes and sizes of users. The open-source design was inspired by an earlier Key64 concept, and in part by the Kinesis Advantage. Late to the party on this thread, but I just want to throw in my opinion. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It's motivated me to start learning about qmk and keyboard firmware programming which has been fun. I actually don't like the key wells. A total of 4-5 layers would be sufficient for most cases. This is practical to carry around, but what for? Nothing rattles (apart from the buttons :smirk :), even better than with the Ergodox EZ. So if I change the default Layer, all subsequent layers, that do not change that specific key, also get that change. I’m doing this because although I totally love my Kinesis Advantage, it has … Kinesis Advantage Software is crap. However, there are a few features missing, which are very important imho. keyboards, tags: I don't know why they added more keys and moved them away. With the Freestyle Edge, the cables are braided and by default 50% of the connecting cable between the halves is stowed in one half of the keyboard. Your keyboard does not work properly when you are not online. LEDs under each key, which can shine in 16 million colors) is not absolutely necessary, but a nice gimmick, at least for the home office and to recognize the layers mentioned. Since I actually spend 75% of my time on / in front of a keyboard, this is an important topic for me. However, this may lead to the fact that you can no longer type normally ... a vicious cycle ...: smirk: by having up to 32 such layers, you get confused about which switch is which, The configuration is quite graphical, but sometimes cumbersome. I find that - frankly - stupid. Have you checked out the Dactyl, or Dactyl Manuform? The company has responded to both of my emails with meaningful and timely responses. That would not be much of a problem, but if you e.g. But why the hell is it only 3 feet? : 2020-03-21 changed: 2020-04-30, category: Looking at the layout, the wells seemed like it would take a little getting used to, but not unbearable. I got a replacement set from directly from USA (Maxkeyboard.com), without labels, but translucent to the LEDs. One tends to move more with the kinesis board. This is awesome when you can "stack" more than one layer. So they don't slip and you don't fiddle around all the time. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. They are not lit either. Maybe look into the dactyl, if you’re looking for a split with curved wells? And, since the firmware is open source, you … As I hope tomorrow will finally be the day my EZ will be delivered to me, I am planning to write something about this stuff in depth because I can really emphasize with people experiencing pain while typing as unfortunately for many years I am one of them. SmartSet + F10: Switch on/off N-key rollover. With the WristRest and the Tent Riser you end up at about 5 € more (depending on the shop and shipping costs of course, but you won't get it cheaper). I really like the split layout of the EZ but also am a fan of the concave key Wells on the kinesis. Razer's software force you online. Good luck (StereotypedHipster) they're both good boards. The two space keys cannot be replaced at all, I have not found a shop offering keycaps with a width of 3.5U. For example: I have a default layer and in the next active layer only some changes are defined. I'm a full time dev and get finger pain after typing for a long day (sometimes forearm too but no wrist). Sometimes messages pop up, telling you that Tap & Hold does not work on FN and when the same key as it in normal mode ... ok ... where does that come from? The core design of the Kinesis Advantage was largely complete way back in 1991. And it was not really intuitive to use neither. Unfortunately, for a German layout, those that are not backlit are also assigned normal buttons, e.g. When I press a button that changes Layer and therefore the the LEDs of several buttons (number cluser or something like that), I can almost watch the LEDs light up one after the other. Split, programmable layouts, and hotswap are all much more important that what you might otherwise think if you haven't tried them. (The staggered layout was developed for typewriters). With the Ergodox Glow you can only "illuminate" the "normal" letter keys in the US layout. There are 2 small white LEDs above the profile button, which indicate which profile is currently active. I couldn't find a review on the internet that compared an Ergodox to Kinesis' Freestyle Edge. But I do not have to have them both on at the same time. The software supports the dark mode of MacOS inadequately, because the macros are then displayed with black writing on an almost black background - not really legible. if you want to store a macro, you have to enter the characters as if you were on an American keyboard and type it in. The latter are gaming switches that have little tactile feedback but more speed. For tap dancing e.g. The new Advantage2 features our patented Contoured keyboard design and low-force mechanical key switches to address the major risk factors associated with keyboarding for maximum comfort. Obvi, I’d suggest going with the ergodox. The "problems" mentioned above with the Ergodox EZ do not exist this way with the Kinesis keyboard, but there are a few things that work differently: This is how "Translucent blank keycaps" look like on the kinesis freestyle edge rgb: The whole thing requires a little getting used to in any case. As with the Ergodox I have space on the left and backspace on the right key. The tenting of the keyboard is good, stable metal, it is well made. Well, who needs so many layers, you don't use that many anyway. To relieve these problems I did quite some investigation into different keyboards and keyboard layouts. The most important thing is this SmartSet button. They are both roughly the same price so I'm more just trying to decide what's best ergonomically for me. The noise from pressing keys down on (not from the key switch) advantage is really loud. Oh yes, speed ... the freestyle has a response time of 1ms - I haven't been able to find out what that is with the Ergodox EZ, but as some keyboard manufactorers point that out quite loudly, it seems to be something good. There are 6 buttons in total, but you can actually only reach 2 of them comfortably with your thumb. It also makes it very easy to experiment with different key maps on your normal layout. I expect more for that price tag and I really hope that they will improve here. This is important for me, as the use of "normal" Keyoards caused paint (the motorcycle accident a few years ago left its mark). However, it might be noticeably harder to get used to than the Kinesis. It's probably exactly what you're looking for, actually. But the Ergodox Glow would currently be a even more expensive: you'd have to ship it from the USA (there is no reseller in Germany), so you have to pay import tariff. Some functions of the firmware are also completely missing, e.g. But with the blank keycaps from maxkeyboard.com it actually improved a bit as the keys are sculpted. Kinesis has a build-to-order option called the “Advantage2 Signature,” but it’s $90 more expensive than the base model, and there’s really not that much you can customize. kinesis advantage vs advantage 2. It seems like they are this way because of additional columns put in the middle of the EZ, but I don't even use those columns. This ton of options is really great. Cons: Expensive. Kinesis Reviewed “Those who invest the time and money will likely find the Kinesis Advantage Contoured Keyboard to be one of the most comfortable keyboards they’ve used. I think its strange that the "Wrist Rests" are separate, they slip again and again and you fiddle with things all the time. But you are not nearly as flexible in configuring the Kinesis as you are in Ergodox. Kinesis Adavantage. I will probably play with the Freestyle edge RGB for a few more days / weeks, then let's see how it feels and post an update here. SmartSet button + Profile button: Reloading the current profile. It looks like something from an alternative (much geekier) universe, but is probably the single best piece of ergonomics I’ve ever bought.. Like all ergonomic keyboards, the Kinesis will do you absolutely no good if you don’t touch type. I also own Advantage Kinesis, and I have used that for good 3 - 4 years. I can hardly think of a practical use. I used Layer 4 for ADNW-XOY. One problem is that the letters on the left half slant up to the left, like on a normal keyboard. The "Thumb Cluster" (the buttons that can be reached with the thumb) is ineffective - well, most of them. Ergodox vs Kinesis Advantage. The wrist rests on the Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB are firmly attached to the keyboard. It throws me off for now a certain distance on one finger and a different distance on another. If you play a game from time to time, especially with first-person shooters or alike, the layout of the Ergodox is a bit of a hindrance. Typing feels surprisingly different than on the Ergodox, although both use Cherry-MX Brown switches. very nice if English is accidentally set again instead of German to swap the y and z). よいところ. But for switching between the profiles and layers on the kinesis, you are unfortunately pretty fixed. The Ergodox-EZ was the first keyboard that I really used for years and it showed me what is really important when it comes to keyboard for my daily use. Hitting the thumb buttons on the advantage feels great and hitting the inside thumb buttons is pretty easy but I do have to stretch and look down. You’ll either have to buy one used on r/mechmarket, build yourself or have one built, but it definitely ticks both these boxes! When typing those keystrokes in the shell, this often leads to errors and it somehow feels "slowed down". Especially when working in the shell, you often need CTRL-A or CTRL-E - and you have to wait a few hundred milliseconds before you can press the 2nd key so that this is recognized correctly. Pros: Mechanical keys. Still yeah, with QMK software you have absolutely full control. I'd love to hear your initial thoughts tomorrow :), Yeah I came here to say exactly this. Was the change good or bad now? I typed on a kinesis for about a year, but have built / currently own an ergodox. Make sure to try different switches if you haven’t, as you may want something a little on the lighter side to lessen overall strain and fatigue. If it’s your fingers that are bothering you, moving to a more ortholinear set up like these may really benefit you. It feels really uncomfortable. Although Kinesis sells textured, rubberised keycaps for the WASD and arrow keys, if you need replaceable keycaps for your entire keyboard, we recommend the ErgoDox EZ. Thanks! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. As the market leader in computer ergonomics, Kinesis has been designing and building premium-grade ergonomic keyboards for more than 25 years. This helps reduce the risks of suffering repetitive strain injuries. That is not really a problem for me, but it is already cumbersome ... unfortunately. This is something where kinesis should have had more courage. It would be better if they were attached to the keyboard. Kinesis Advantage 2. Hey r/ergodox, I'm looking at picking up an EZ but I'm between that and a kinesis advantage. If it weren't for the price difference of at least € 125 and the poorer build quality (cables - although you can buy replacement) and less suitable features for international users (LEDs only on the US letter keys), the two would be probably really equivalent. Ergodox-EZ has now released a web based configurator that you can use to configure your keyboard. Just the automatic change between the profiles for the Razer Chroma is a feature that should also somehow find its way into the software of the Kinesis Keyboard. There is a key cluster that sits on the top right half. But we are already at a difference. (This will probably be my next purchase when I’m ready.). a text smiley. Originally bought because of wrist pain, I've had the kinesis advantage for 16 years, I'm on my third one and I've worn out keys on each one from so much use. So even with the perceived incomplete software, the Kinesis is clearly the winner in the sector against Ergodox EZ, even if the EZ offers significantly more features in programming. The build quality is really good for a Kickstarter project. I gotta say the ergodox is way better. And feel really hard in direct comparison. If you compare the two keyboards, the Freestyle Edge RGB seems huge and looks as if you had sawed through the middle of a "normal" keyboard without a number pad. There is locally running, dedicated software for the configuration (Windows and MacOS). The base price with tent kit and palm rests is $ 354, - about 325 € + import tariff 62 € + processing fees, shipping etc then makes this about 425 €. Huge on-board memory. That doesn't sound bad at first, if you then need CTRL, you have to wait a bit. You then have to select the layer again to get it working. You have full blown row of function keys F1 to F12 (which I really missed during programming) and cursor keys in "Inverse-T" alignment - and they had me: smirk: The palm rests are very comfortable and well padded. Changing the key map with the web tool for the EZ blows my mind at how easy and effective it is. Thank you for the detailed write up I really appreciate it! This gives you the most opportunities and flexibility. (I would later learn that many Ergodox and Atreus design elements are inspired by the now-25-year-old Kinesis Model 100 design.) Attention: those makros and remapping is stored on the keyboard and it won't reset. The best thing would be to install QMK. There is a total of 4 buttons: Profile, Macro, Remap and a button that has a gear symbol printed on and is called the "SmartSet" button. I can hardly believe the 1ms response time here. So you could also correct your mapping via. Because this also significantly reduces the strain on the wrists and shoulders. So I have to say that the Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB offers the more attractive overall package and you get more for your money. As expected, the first couple of weeks with it weren’t terribly productive from a typing speed standpoint. One of the biggest concerns I had regarding purchasing the Kinesis Advantage 2 is, could I be just as efficient and productive with it. But because some things are not 100% - at least for me - and because that thing is really expensive, I took a look around ... and after a lot of research I end up with the relatively new Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB keyboard. The SmartSet button, used in conjunction with F7-F12, numbers or the Profile key, then offers the following functions. I my opinion the "Cherry MX Brown" offer a good compromise, so that you also can use it in the office without getting everyone upset due to the noise. The LEDs corresponding to the number keys are then highlighted by the LEDs. Since the keys are not staggered, as on a normal keyboard, but directly arranged one below the other. You should be able to switch between the profiles on any key, defining it yourself. Only the keyboard has a few more keys - in particular the macro keys on the left side of the keyboard (11 in total, of which 2 are already programmed for with LED on and FN) are noticeable. Just press keys to set them. Unfortunately, there is no "stagging" of the layers in the configurator either. I really think the Ergodox-EZ is a great keyboard, but this is a bit annoying. the most important: the two space keys are configured differently. I really like the split layout of the EZ but also am a fan of the concave key Wells on the kinesis. Tastatur. SmartSet + F9: Set playback speed of macros. Typing on an ortholinear keyboard is better, the keys are more "ergonomic", it seems. I must say, I may be switching full-time to this keyboard! All my configurations are done using graphical configurator. This is not so tragic if you can touch type (like me), but it also irritates me. I loved the layout, with exception of the crap switches for the F-keys. That is fun at first, but grows awful soon. The curved keywell is great, but the lack of keycap sets, programmability, and switch choices is what turned me off of the kinesis. They really attracted the dust extremely. In my layout, CTRL and y are on the same key, if you type briefly, if a y is typed, if you hold the key, CTRL is pressed. Since one of my keyboards is starting to act crazy (after more then 5 years of heavy usage that is), I had really thought about ordering a new Ergodox EZ keyboard. The small number of buttons - I always miss one or the other. I also don't understand why this is done so half-baked. But I can already tell: Typing feels more valuable, but the software still has problems. Had severe pain in middle and ring finger on right arm, tried hhkb2 ,Microsoft curve 4000, real force topre 103, finally settle with ez now no more pain nice comfort still not able to settle the position of mouse in ez. No need to install or launch software. ErgoDox, by comparison, allows a number of options for key switches, color, and other features. “I’ve tried other ergonomic keyboards, such as the Microsoft… the ä and the ß. So I have to stretch a little to hit those and hitting the inside buttons on the EZ is a pain. Unfortunately there are no German or OSX keycaps directly from Kinesis - at least not just like that. through LEDs, preferably RGB LEDs under each key... Ergodox-EZ recently built something like this with the RGB LEDs, but only roughly. Either this is programmed quite inefficiently, or the hardware is underpowered. Ergodox thumb key placement is crap. Both of those keyboards are programmable, so I won't say there is a margin, but I'll say I'm happy with my EZ, and I've got my own custom layout. This makes all the difference for me, as I lose circulation if my wrists are raised above my elbows. ... Open-source split keyboard based on the Kinesis Advantage's This keyboard is available as a DIY Some commercial clones: pin. But I would also like to put this into perspective: in comparison to the grotty software from the Razer Chroma keyboard, the SmartSet app for the Kinesis Freestyle Edge is a revelation! In contrast to the fantastic number of key switch types at Ergodox, you can only choose between 2 key types for the Freestyle Edge RGB: Cherry MX Brown and Cherry MX Red. But that doesn't have to be a problem, because you have enough keys available. or give it some additional useful functionality - or make it programmable, so that you can decide, what it should do. Cookies help us deliver our Services. The configuration itself is stored in "simple" text files on the keyboard. Because the keyboard is split, you can adjust it to your needs for your personal work - that's great and also indispensable for me. The ErgoDox EZ is a better ergonomic keyboard the Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB thanks to its better ergonomics, build quality, and its wider selection of switches. I type a lot, in my free time (e.g. oh yes, you can change the mapping directly without the software using the keyboard. The limitation of the keyboard to 9 profiles is probably due to the fact that it was not possible to assign more keys to it (switching is only possible with a SmartSet key + number - for the first 4 also with the Profile key). They look like they were bought in the next craft shop around the corner. with the Freestyle, however, it is quite helpful, because otherwise the different layers/profiles cannot be recognised at all. The bugs in the software and the missing functions are also a problem. And in the "Reactive LED scheme", which highlights the pressed key a different color for a short time, does not work with keys, that have Tab'n'Hold enabled. The software works exclusively with the English/US layout. I've been using the colemak layout for about 8 years now and the EZ finally allowed me to have colemak directly on my keyboard instead of having to setup colemak through additional software every time I change OS. Many of the functions are real gimmicks. comments powered If necessary, you can prolong the cable up to 20". So, here is a review of Freestyle edge RGB by an Ergodox user. 310€ including the tent kit almost sound like a bargain. October 29, 2020 Written by . I can also use ˚ and ^ to achieve what would have been a pretty monkey grip. SmartSet + key 1-9: activate the corresponding profile. I ordered it after a few year of tendinitis-related wrist problems. The Ergodox Infinity keyboard sports LEDs on all keys. The Profile button actually makes no sense for this, especially since you can only switch between the first 4 profiles with the button anyway. I do like the concave, but after having a keyboard that allows my hands to move independently across my desk and still function, I don't think I could go back. On the default layer, you add a layer for changing some keys for number keys, and then an additonal one to have an inversed-T cursor clustor somewhere else. At the moment I think it's all very good, I just have to get used to it. The build quality is really extremely good. It's fantastic. Also the F keys ... because they are not assigned twice (as with the Ergodox), they can stay that way. For e.g. This is a bummer... so you more or less only have permanent macros. The RGB lighting is almost imperative! They are both roughly the same price so I'm more just trying to decide what's best ergonomically for me. 5行目のキーが打ちやすい ergodox ezはスプリットされたkinesisを目指して作ったのだろうけど、 実装のしやすさからか基盤を平面にしてしまったため5行目が大変打ちにくい; リマップ方法が直感的 The Kinesis board feels better than the Ergodox-EZ, it all feels valuable. Wow ... that's great when one's broken. --> This allows "on the fly" keys to be reassigned (e.g. The EZ also has a lot more customization options but might be a lot harder to learn than the Kinesis, and the Edge has RGB lighting, while our unit of the ErgoDox EZ doesn't have any, although there are variants that have it. With the Macro button you can easily define macros on the fly. I am, and I find that a slightly heavier switch actually keeps my hammer fingers under control better than lighter switches. ... ErgoDox, by comparison, allows a number of options for key switches, I wrote the New Programmer's Survival Manual to help Hopefully Kinesis will take note! But on the Kinesis, I need to switch profiles for that. Again: good start, unfortunately not thought through to the end. I'm looking at picking up an EZ but I'm between that and a kinesis advantage. The thing is about the size of half an Ergodox EZ. Unlike the Kinesis Advantage, you can space the halves however far apart you want, like the Ergo Pro connected by a TRRS cable. The tenting solution on the EZ is wonderfully flexible. I've been using an advantage at work full time for about 6 months and an ergo EZ at home for about 4 months. The ErgoDox layout is its major appeal. I really thought that the Ergodox was great from the idea, only the execution was rather poor, because - as already described - half of the keys in the thumb cluster cannot be used as intended. Which is a bummer, it would be more flexible. Kinesis Advantage2 is ranked 4th while ErgoDox EZ is ranked 14th. The ErgoDox also allows for individual positioning of each side of the keyboard, custom tenting (check out the Kinesis V3 accessory) and has an easily programmable Teensy development board (featuring a gui for creating layouts and drag and drop to add to the board). Both halves have an ortholinear main pad, plus a secondary thumb pad, similar to the Kinesis Advantage. here) or at work. Because you don't have "enough" keys for the entire German layout, you often have to assign keys twice. I had to do "real" programming to get my shift keys to work correctly (which they don't on most layouts I've seen including the default one) but I could do that. Anyone who knows the binary system knows that with 2 LEDs you can display a maximum of 4 different values ​​- 9 profiles and only 4 I can tell from the LEDs. Both are great keyboards but overall I prefer the ergodox because of its customization options, community, and lack of key wells. On-the-fly programble keys. You can also store predefined macros via the software, You can also define and play macros on the fly (those are added to your profile), Unfortunately, you cannot put the switch to a profile on a specific key. Unfortunately, it was only available as DYI-kit and the individual parts for it are currently no longer in stock anywhere. And a lot just didn't work as it should, especially on Mac OSX. There’s a "remap" button that I mentioned above. Built into the ErgoDox firmware is the concept of layer stacks. After all, the cables are removable and not soldered. What is also striking is that the keyboard is probably a little under-powerd in terms of computing power. Advice: If you want to buy a freestyle edge or the freestyle pro, buy it in any case with the "Kinesis Edge Lift Kit" (unfortunately subject to a surcharge). The ErgoDox EZ is a better ergonomic keyboard than the Kinesis Freestyle Pro. You can download the qmk firmware and create and compile a layout in C yourself. Most ergonomic. In the last installment, I told you I was building an open-source, split, ortholinear keyboard called the ErgoDox. It feels better built, has a wider switch variety, and has incredible ergonomics. On the basic model, you can split them up to eight inches, which is the length of the cord connecting them. The biggest "innovation" is that there is now a fantastillion number key switch types you can choose from. That is why a separate layer is necessary so that you can adapt it to some extent. No other way to say it. you can only switch between the profiles with a certain key ("profile") or by pressing the "SmartSet" key with one of the keys 1-9. The ergodox community is great. I like the EZ more. Without that, the keyboard is only half as good! I am still learning how to use the keyboard and super swamped right now so unable to really dive in and learn how to use the advanced features. Kinesis offers a similar keyboard without RGBs (Freestyle Pro), but that would have been more expensive, for whatever reason. Ergodox vs Kinesis Advantage? Is 100% the same thing, but without LEDs. And that's probably true. Ergodox EZ vs Kinesis Freestyle Edge RGB Gaming, boesebeck.name (c) 2017, Stephan Bösebeck. But otherwise it doesn't knock my socks off. There are more ergonomic aspects of keyboards to consider then just physical layout, one of which is an ability to program your keyboard. Of the three, the Advantage stood out. I'm not quite through with the configuration, but as far as I can tell that I got almost everything working: All in all, the software feels somewhat unfinished. Ergodox An ergo keyboard should have those slanting up to the right. The ergodox's benefits outweigh the advantage's benefits for me. I think you should consider Keymouse as well. Leader Key (pressing the Leader Key followed by a certain combination of other keys within a certain time triggers a certain action) or Tapdance (pressing a key several times does something different than if I only press it once). I don’t love the default kinesis layout, but you’re just stuck with what they give you. 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